My husband and I meant almost ten years ago. From the moment I met him I knew he was the one. He was charming, handsome, social, outgoing, and incredibly artistic. He was the most sensitive man I had met, adored me, and I felt connected in ways I had never experienced.
Then everything changed....it started when we moved in together, he was incredibly impulsive with money and I was lending him money all the time. He would often run out of gas, forget to pay his bills, forget to take his cell phone, and then I started to realize he was incredibly obsessive about routines, picking up after people, and seemed to not have appropriate social behavior with his constant interruptions, blurting out inappropriate comments, and could not recognize body language. I always said he was consistently inconsistent.
I became unexpectedly pregnant and it got worse. He could not understand pregnancy hormones and emotions and often belittled me. I would often have times of depression, frustration, etc. while pregnant and was not the happiest of people. But I admitted it, I accepted it, I desperately tried to control it, and often apologized. It didn't help, he still had no patience for me and we constantly argued...being pregnant was the worst experience of my life. I gained 100 pounds, was miserable, felt alone and isolated.
We have been married for three years and I feel so alone. It's like we speak different languages and he cannot seem to understand other peoples points of view. He is controlling and forces himself onto others by expecting the to do what he wants. His interruptions are extreme, I often tell him I that my frustration is so intense because I never can finish a sentence with him. He calls it an interjection, as if it rationalizes his behaviors.
He deflects and blames others, and I am at the top of the list. He tells me I am nagging, have anger issues, and that no one except for me has ever had a problem with his behavior. He was single until the age of 42 and was not in a long term relationship prior to me. He does not follow through with most things, takes forever to accomplish tasks, and refuses to get help.
He argues incessantly with our 7 year old. Our son is smart, intelligent, and clearly can see his father is not normal. It angers our son and he lashes out, my husband blames our son for being a spoiled brat instead of recognizing that our son is having a reaction to my husbands controlling and inappropriate behavior. My son and I can be together for hours without a disagreement or fight, my husband doesn't last 10 minutes. He claims our son argues and just doesn't listen to him because they spend more time together (SAH dad). Really, it is because my son has not yet developed the emotional maturity to deal with an ADHD father.
He has a short temper and a chip on his shoulder. If anyone confronts him about his behavior, he will accuse them of attacking him, he becomes defensive, nasty, and then pretends like it never happened and he never behaved in that manner.
I am angry. Alone. Feeling helpless and hopeless. I know I don't respond well to him, but I really have reached my limit. I want to make this work, but don't know where to start.
I can help you
Submitted by NotAnIdiot on
I notice that there are no replies here. Please comment if you are still reading the forum - I am an ADHD husband who is no longer in denial (if still impossible to live with), and I can help you.
What helped you to stop being in denial?
Submitted by overwhelmedwife on
The very real threat of my
Submitted by NotAnIdiot on
The very real threat of my wife leaving. It was not an idle threat. I suppose the turning point was when her lawyer called me because in order to prepare the divorce papers she needed some sort of documents from me (I had no idea what or where they were, lol). I knew then that the woman was not joking, and it freaked me out. I didn't know she had the balls. So I had to decide between sitting down and having a serious look at my role in the mess, or watch her leave and most likely go back East. I think any woman who deploys this nuclear strategy should be prepared for her husband to call the bluff and let her go. But from what I have been reading on this forum, I don't think that will be a problem for many of you, lol.
I filed for a legal
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
I filed for a legal separation, and all that my husband said was, "What happens next?" He didn't respond to any of the notices from the court, such as that he was supposed to file a financial form. A few months after I filed for the separation, I suggested that we try living apart (he was already living with his parents four days per week). He didn't say anything until a few days before the start date I had proposed for us living apart, at which point he said that I had kicked him out and he proposed living in the basement.
Of course I don't know
Submitted by NotAnIdiot on
Of course I don't know anything about him or the situation, but it sounds to me like his request to live in the house (basement, wherever) means that he thinks you are bluffing and just nagging him about stuff like you always do. If I were you, I would think long and hard about whether I really wanted the separation. If yes, I wouldn't do it weak and half-assed - I would hire a lawyer who takes no prisoners. If things are really that bad, you have to force him to make a decision about whether to stay or go. So far that hasn't happened.
I wasn't bluffing. He moved
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
I wasn't bluffing. He moved out.
I hope the separation forces
Submitted by NotAnIdiot on
I hope the separation forces in him a change of heart. It did for me. I moved out for 2 months last year and it was extremely difficult. I had no idea how much my wife did in order for me to keep my s**t together until I had to do it myself. She said I couldn't come back until I got help. If he doesn't change, there is nothing you can do - except make plans to live a life free from ADHD lunacy.
Thanks for the good wishes.
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
Thanks for the good wishes. Unfortunately, my husband had no change of heart. But there has been value in being confronted with the truth of where I am in his priorities. I strongly believe in accepting the truth, painful as it might be.
I am sorry Rosered that I did
Submitted by NotAnIdiot on
I am sorry Rosered that I did not read more of your history before now. You are a very strong person to have put up with this for as long as you have. I know I couldn't have done it, and neither could my wife. I really do hope that your husband realizes one day what you have tried to do for him.
No need to apologize! I
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
No need to apologize! I wouldn't expect a newcomer to read everything I've posted here. Sigh; it is a long and dreadful story, isn't it? I, like other foks, appreciate what you're contributing here. Keep it up!
My H moved out twice....
Submitted by overwhelmedwife on
The first time H moved out, he moved in with his sister so she "mothered" him....did his laundry, cooked his meals, etc. He had the single life. But, then she started getting on his case about stuff....messes, sleeping in, eating food that was supposed to be for other meals, etc, so then after 2 months he came back. The second time, H moved into an apt by himself. He picked it because one of his friends (really just an acquaintance) lived nearby so he soon found himself to be very lonely. The neighbor was busy with his own kids and wife, so little time for H. H soon missed the home-cooked meals, and companionship, so he came home again. Now, he doesn't want to ever leave.....but he still misbehaves.
Thanks
Submitted by swingkat77 on
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
First, there are no easy or
Submitted by NotAnIdiot on
First, there are no easy or quick solutions. It takes hard work from both parties, especially your husband. I started to figure things out by reading, and my wife started to get it (somewhat) after I showed her some key parts of the books I was reading. In my opinion, it will be difficult if not impossible to get your husband to appreciate what is involved with ADHD if he does not educate himself. Also, I think it is very important for you to read up on it as well. Fortunately there are some really good books out there, in addition to Melissa's. I would start with Gena Pera's "Is it You, Me, or Adult ADHD?" - this book was indispensable for my wife and me. We are still on very rocky ground, but at least I am no longer in denial, and my wife is starting to realize (somewhat) that my behavior is not caused by a lack of caring, stupidity, laziness, or insanity. If you have specific questions, I will be happy to answer them the best I can.
The mystery of ADHD
Submitted by I'm So Exhausted on
my behavior is not caused by a lack of caring, stupidity, laziness, or insanity.
I have understood this about my own spouse for many, many years. The problems have built up here because he cannot see past his mantra of "I am not responsible for your perception of events." This is 100% correct.
I am responsible for my own reactions and responses.
I do not like what I have. It is up to me to figure out what to do with it.
Actions have consequences. Something I taught my children - take responsibility for your own actions. Was what you said rude? Were you disobedient? Was that mean? Was that destructive? Did that harm someone other than yourself? Was that disrespectful? Did those actions bring honor to God?
Trying to understand what my spouse does:
Was what you said rude? No, I am allowed to have an opinion.
Did you fulfill your promise/responsibility? I did not want to do it in the first place.
Was that mean? No, you just perceived it that way.
Was that destructive? No, you just perceived it that way. Or - No, I was just teasing.
Did that harm someone other than yourself? No, you just perceive it that way, and it didn't bother me at all. It is my own opinion.
Was that disrespectful? That person didn't deserve my respect, because they . . . . .
Did those actions bring honor to God?
I truly do feel sad that my spouse cannot see how his actions are perceived, or what it is like to be on the receiving end.
As with anything in life, a few grains of sand can be blown away and either forgotten or overlooked. A 2000 pound pile is a totally different issue.
"ADHD is no one's fault, but once you know about it, it's your responsibility to get help. Do it for your loved ones. Do it for yourself." ~unknown~
My spouse had written me a nice note near the end of December, offering his 'deliberate and focused attention to launch into the New Year with a hug.' He fell asleep. So, several days later, he apologizes. I accept his apology. I try to explain to him that it is not the action - but the pattern of behavior, that leaves me disappointed. Which he responds along the line of "This (the apology) wasn't for you, it was FOR ME."
Oiy :)
And 'ouch.' That is EXACTLY why this downward spiral started in my marriage. I got lost. It is all about him.
Liz
the hardest part
Submitted by dvance on
Here is the hardest part: nothing is EVER the husband's fault. Like so many others here, my DH is charming, handsome, great conversationalist, loads of fun out in public, great sense of humor. BUT...nothing that ever happens is his fault. Fired from two jobs in two years? His bosses were stupid and didn't realize how good he was and the company will fall apart without him. Maybe, I have no way to know the truth. Overdrew the bank account more times than I can count? Oh, he's just not good with money and forgot to tell me he took money out of the ATM. Calls at noon and says he's on his way home and then doesn't arrive until 9pm? Oh, he just lost track of time. Snapped at one of the kids (nothing awful, but still)? He didn't mean it. Still waiting on that check from a side job? Oh, he forgot they needed his tax ID number so it will be another few weeks. It's like trying to grab on to a jellyfish. NOTHING is ever his fault. It's unbelieveable. I have never seen an adult function that way. It's hard to live with. How do you live with or be partners with someone for whom nothing is their fault and by extension very little is their responsibility. It's odd. There is not a mean, malicious bone in his body-he would take a bullet for me or either child but this idea that life just happens to him, he is not an in-control, autonomous person is hard to live with. I have been talking with my counselor about this--how do I get angry with a person that NEVER does anything wrong? That just has things happen to him through no fault of his own? I look like a total b**ch when I get angry at him for forgetting something because really, he just forgot, he didn't mean to. UGH. This is a problem I haven't solved.
I feel the exact same way....
Submitted by swingkat77 on
Reading these posts makes it feel as if someone has tapped into my brain. It is never my husband's fault either, there is always an excuse. In fact, there are so many excuses I stopped listening to them. In our ten years together, I have never heard him take responsibility for his own actions. It is either an excuse or he blames me. What really frustrates me is that he is treating our son the same way. My husband could literally reduce my son and I into tears of frustration, and then tell at us and claim it was our fault, he did nothing. I am happy to read more, take responsibility for my actions and try to keep this marriage strong. But how do I protect my son? How do I make sure he understands he's not crazy, that he is loved, that he is allowed to do things on his own?
My son loves building Lego's and cannot get through a set with my husband without getting into a screaming match. My husband forces my son do to it my husbands way, because the husband believes the world has brains wired just like his. My son then gets angry and frustrated, because he wants to do it his way.
How to wrap the brain about these various idiocyncrasies
Submitted by I'm So Exhausted on
dvance,
My spouse in very alert - and will quickly pounce - when I use words like always - never. Yet, it is acceptable to his way of thinking for him to say it. How do I wrap my brain around working through communication with someone who can dish it out but cannot take it?
I have literally snapped at him and told him "You know what I mean. Quit picking apart how I talk." Funny how all my responses, all my inquires, all my explanations of how I feel, are placed under his microscope of discernment and picked apart. Yet, he cannot turn that microscope upon himself.
Overwhelming.
The stress of this situation has built up to such a fevered pitch, that I cannot stand it.
Liz
Developmental disorders
Submitted by sunlight on
ADHD being a developmental disorder then it may not be surprising that ADHD brains may be challenged in other ways (but this is hard to research when a subject also has memory problems eg how much of learning something new, including how to react in a close personal relationship, is a problem with learning or a problem with remembering). Anyway this research got a lot of buzz in the press some time ago, has resonances with some ADHD-related behaviors:
http://www.wired.com/2014/11/teen-brain-shuts-hears-moms-criticism/
http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/mothers-criticism-shuts-down-t...
A preprint of the full paper used to be available free on the web, I haven't looked for it recently.
The key to a lot of ADHD is that it's a brain disorder. Some people may physically not be capable of behaving differently, depending on the severity of the physical disorder, or may require intensive training or repetition to rewire connections. Asking them to understand things as you do is asking an epileptic not to have a fit.
Makes sense in a way
Submitted by sunlight on
"This (the apology) wasn't for you, it was FOR ME."
He is trying (repeatedly, every day, 1 step forward, 1 step back) to learn to live in a non-ADHD world that he can never comprehend. He has learned (big success) that apologies are taken seriously so (his brain) thinks he must learn to make them. He may not fully comprehend why, but he has absorbed that it is necessary for those folks in non-ADHD world. So he thought over what happened, thought what he should do next (make apology) and then he did it. You accepted it. Big deal for him - he got it right, he did what he guessed was appropriate in non-ADHD land and it seemed to be right. But then, while he is processing this, you started to explain (pattern of behavior, disappointment etc)... and he was overwhelmed (he probably was overwhelmed by the realization that he did what he thought was the right thing and after agreeing you then criticized him). I know, this may seem utterly pathetic to a non-ADHD person, but he is in a world of difficulty.
Insert a big sigh here. . . . . .
Submitted by I'm So Exhausted on
In all honesty, I think I get this. I really do. Thus the conundrum of 'all issues end about his brain, how he feels, how he responds, how he, he, he, he,. . . .
That is Liz's problem. I am not his mother. I am not invincible. I am not superwoman. I got lost somewhere. I want something. I NEED something. I do not seem to be able to get, and in my frustrations, these things seem like excuses for his behavior. Which I know they are not. That is exactly why I started posting here. To find better communication, to understand, to accept what cannot be changed - and I have yet to run into anyone who says, "this is the best you can hope for. things are like this because that is the way his brain is - period."
I just cannot accept that is as good as it will ever get. This is a very bright, intelligent man.
There is so-o-o much more to the history of our New Year's Eve issue/story. I am a big one for special days - birthday's, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's Eve, all of them. I made a big deal of them for our children, and myself. I finally got the message loud and clear that I would not get the romantic, ring in the New Year with a big celebratory kiss from my spouse. After 25 years, I gave up. Realized I should not count on it. It was acceptable. I no longer asked or hoped. Probably built up walls of emotional protection, too. This year, he totally put the plan upon me - I didn't not ask for it - so I let it play out by his rules. In all honesty, my gut reaction was "Are you outa your ever loving mind? It never could be how I planned/dreamed/imagined it - but now I gotta play by how you want it?!
I KNOW how hard this has been. I know how hard it is to try new things. I had a glimmer of hope. I was disappointed. A person should not be used to nor immune to disappointment.
Liz
NotAnIdiot..can I ask you a question?
Submitted by dedelight4 on
Dear Not, I'd like to ask you a question about your "discovery" in searching out ADHD. Why do you think you let the ADHD behavior go on for so long before REALLY seeking help? That is a question I'd like to ask my husband, but I know I won't get an answer. We've been married 31 years, (he's 8 years diagnosed) and my husband is on Concerta, but no behavioral therapy. He wouldn't look at his ADHD either until I totally gave up and wanted out also. I never nagged him or belittled him or was rude to him, but it STILL didn't matter, he STILL wouldn't talk to me, or let me get close to him. But, yet he would feel sad and blame ME for him feeling lonely, despite all the decades of attempts I did to try and help us be closer as a couple. And, he would blame so MUCH stuff on me that had NOTHING what so ever to DO with me.....it was mostly ALL his ADHD symptoms. I literally tried everything I could, and when I finally accepted the fact that it didn't seem like he WANTED to be married to me, I QUIT. I couldn't live anymore as a separate couple pretending to be a "married" couple. But, NOW he is trying to change. He read Melissa's book, and is working very hard to do things differently. I DON'T GET IT, and he won't tell me why. But, I am very reserved in believing that his "change" is for real, especially when he doesn't TALK to me about what is going on with his ADHD. Do YOU and your wife talk about your ADHD? and emotional issues between the two of you?