I'm completely new to this forum but feel a mixture of relief and anxiety about communicating on here. We think that my husband has ADD. We have been together 9 years and after the honeymoon phase ended, I felt like something was up but didn't quite know what to put my finger on. I thought he might've had aspergers syndrome and set up an appointment. The therapist explained that while he does display many apergers traits, he definitley doesn't have aspergers syndrome but is likely to have ADD. At the time (this is going back c. 5 years now), we were simply relieved he didn't have aspergers and stopped therapy. Obviously we didn't know what we were in for since we didn't delve into it any further. Fast forward to now, and I am at the end of my tether with this thing.
My husband has only recently accepted that perhaps he needs to get a diagnosis and consider treating ADD. The thing is, we live in France which causes a whole raft of problems. The issues are numerous, but my main concerns are how to move forward. I'm not sure ADD is widely recognised in France and even read a report by ADHD Europe indicating that diagnosis and treatment were limited throughout Europe. On top of this, my husband is currently on a short term contract and this is his excuse for not seeking help now. His reasons are that we can't afford it financially and that finding the right therapist takes time and he doesn't want to settle on a therapist now, in the event that we have to move (which is highly likely).
But we have been in perpetual limbo for 2 years now and I'm sick of his excuses for not seeking diagnosis and treatment. This may sound horrible, especially because I do love my husband and I truly believe that we could be so much happier and healthier if he would seek help, but the thing is, I also have a good sense of self worth and I am starting to weigh up the costs of living in this foreign land, with a husband who has no idea how to prioritise my/our needs above anyone else's.
To give a bit of background, he is French and I'm a Kiwi (from NZ). We met while he was studying in NZ. He obviously stayed and we created a life together, which for the most part was fine. However, a massive, ongoing problem has been his mother. After all the reading I've done on ADD, I can appreciate (in hindsight... which is always much easier), that a family dynamic must've grown in response to my husbands add symptoms. That aside, my mother in-law made my husband feel responsible for her happiness, explicitly telling him that his decision to live in NZ made her feel depressed (this, amongst many other things leads me to believe they had a very unhealthy relationship). She made her feelings very clear to me and we never got along. When she was diagnosed with terminal cancer, I assumed he'd return to France. So I can't express how humbled I felt when he stayed. We have our reasons for not moving right away but it was always our intention to move to when it was right for us. We decided this would either be when I finished university or if/when she physically needed us to be there.
But add was affecting us prior to all of this. He was unreliable, late, forgetful, always letting me down, made me take the lions share of our responsibilities and I basically felt like his mum. But to be honest, I didn't mind most of the time. We were otherwise happy, and I could do all of those things. But there are other areas, like interpersonal communication and intimacy. I sometimes felt alone in the actual 'relationship' side of things. But I've always thought we could be better.
On top of all this, was the issue of his mum. We just never talked about her. When it came to his family, he would shut me out (still does). They could call him from France and order him back, and he'd jump on a plan without any thoughts about me or our life. He was working towards his phd for that first part of our relationship. It was hard enough feeling second to his phd. But when his mum got sick, I came third. His mum was first, his phd second and I came at the end of all that. I dont wanna be all melodramatic, but that was the most depressing year of my life. When he submitted his thesis, he didn't even allow a couple of days for me/us. He got on a plane 2 days later, discussing his timeframe with his family - not me. He came back 2 months later, and I was so incredibly happy that he came back for me. I couldn't believe he returned for me. My light at the end of the tunnel was christmas and we were nearly there. That was what got me through that horrible year. So I was shattered when he told me, and I quote "my dad and sister told me i have to go back for christmas. I have no choice". This, at the grand old age of 30 years. I felt worthless compared to his family (still do!). Please don't get me wrong here, I am not begrudging the fact he needed to spend time with his mother and family. I'm not heartless and know that this needed to happen (as it stands, i had a great christmas with my own family). But I was/am incredibly frustrated that he's always being told what to do, and instead of carefully considering how he could/can make things work according to 'our needs', he does things according to his family and their desires.
I am pretty conscious of what I can and can't deal with in life, and I knew I wouldn't be able to deal with 'all this' on the other side of the world, where I don't speak the language, where I don't have a network of friends or family of my own. So I made it a condition that he had to deal with whatever 'it' was before we could move to France. We did try. We even went to a couples therapist, who made me feel like I was just being a heartless cow. Of course we stopped going. But, in his defense, he has made and continues to make such a huge effort to take responsibility for things. I can't express how much it means to me that he did it. i was so scared that he would become a self fulfulling prophecy (he always thinks he's useless), but he really stood up and took responsibility for us. This is kind of where the problem lies though. Since he's begun to take on more responisiblities, I know his ADD is becoming more problematic for him to deal with. And I'm the one who has to live with the fall out - coz as far as he can see, he's dealing with everything as best as he can and if I would just shut my mouth, life would be perfect (according to him).
Anyhow, while ADD in itself is an issue that we need to deal with, the crux of my particular anger and resentment is his mother which he uses against me all the time. I still feel like she controls him/us even though she's not here.
Three months before I was due to graduate and then move to France, my mother in-law died. It was very unexpected. She didn't even call my husband to say anything. In my opinion (this is the anger speaking here), their whole family were cowards in dealing with her death. They skirted around the issue as if it didn't exist. Right before she died, when they were organising my husband's trip, they even told my husband to lie to his mum about his reason for being in France! (so that she wouldn't realise she was about to die). My husband arrived 24 hours before she passed away and she was barely conscious. I know he feels guilty for not being there for her. I know it is his right to grieve, but he doesn't know how. So, it should be no surprise that when we get into arguments, he'll often bring up the fact he stayed in NZ to be with me. Several times, he has implied that he left her to die alone (she actually wasn't alone and had a lot of support), and when he's really angry, he'll say that he left his mum for nothing - nothing meaning me and our relationship. This is where I draw the line. I love my husband. I see who he is beyond the ADD and I just want to be with that person. But I will not tolerate being blamed, over and over again, for something that I didn't do.
I feel particularly angry about it because I had suggested that we move to France months prior to my mother in-law passing away. I had grown exponentially and realised that I could deal with the move, warts and all. But when I suggested this to my husband, he was the one who said no, reasoning that I needed to finish my degree before we could move. At the time, I bought it. But as time wore on, I felt that he couldn't deal with seeing his mum get worse. I get that. I understand it. It makes so much sense. But he needs to own the fact that he made the decision to live his own life in New Zealand, and not blame it on me. He needs to hear from a third party that his mother never should've made him responsible for her happiness. He also needs to hear that it was not only ok for him to live his own life, wherever he chose to, but that is his right as a grown man. But I know I can't be the one to tell him those things. And until he hears these things, I'm scared he'll never forgive himself and/or the fact that we had a life in New Zealand.
So anyway..... I just want him to know that its not his fault and that he has a right to be happy. I want him to share himself with me. I also want him to hear me when I talk to him. I want to feel like he actually cares for me, that he has compassion and empathy for me. I want to feel like we have a happy, healthy future together. I want him to stop buckling to his family's every need and I want him to prioritise us/our needs before the rest of the world. I believe that treating/managing ADD is the key to all of this. But whenever I raise the issue of add, he proceeds to remind me that he supports me financially, that he stayed in NZ for me and that he does so much for me and we just go around in circles.
Seriously, I know he is still the wonderful person that I fell in love with, but ADD, mothers issues, grief and dealing with a cross cultural relationship are just making his head all fuzzy. I know this, he knows this, but he refuses to deal with it, at a time when I think it would be most valuable. I know he's in there, but I also have myself to look after. I have a very healthy sense of self worth and believe that my full potential is not being realised while I am living in another country dealing (or not dealing) with a husband who has untreated ADD. If he would just deal with it, I could suck it up and deal with everything else. But if he continues to ignore it, then I feel like I'm just wasting my time being in a relationship with him. I don't want us to separate, but how the hell do I get what I need out of this?
just need to tell my story to someone
Submitted by Friwi on 08/01/2014.
Independance, Hyper-focus and screwed up priorites are hurt
Submitted by c ur self on
God said a man should leave his Father and Mother and the twain shall become one flesh...Your husband has betrayed you with his actions...I understand what you are going through...My wife does the same...I tell her we are a family unit...All things we involve ourselves with we need to share with each other in respectful manner. I like you do not want to sound like I do not want her and I to love and continue to share and come along side our family's. Just the contrary...But, when she hyper-focuses on others like you don't exist, walks in and announces what she is going to do...Never considering my feelings, thoughts or plans, it is very hurtful...So, I know what you are going through. I've told her more than once look, you are my wife, we are not shacked up using each other for our own benefit, with no ties...WE...You and I are a family unit...And when we put each other first in this life, we can get through anything...But, now that I've ranted...I think add does make this worse...My wife absolutely didn't realize the way her actions were perceived by me...So we are slowly getting better...For one, like I've said in several post on this forum, I live my life in many ways quiet independent of her, just because of this type behavior. I was allowing myself to think everything was fine, that she as a responsible adult would make loving mature decisions'...This is where mates to adders mess up, we have to live a life of awareness...You have to not let your emotions take a beating by irresponsible and what seems like thoughtless behavior...We have to expect it...When I would try to have a discussion about this she would get defensive and tell me I'm jealous...I just say Really? Of What? :) You just can't rationalize with someone who is absolutely blind to there behavior...Or lives in denial...take your pick. I bet you can get a Dr. to write a prescription for adderall...He could try it if he's willing, but, let me worn you, it's not a magic pill...It doesn't change hearts or priorities...But, can help with distractions, and focus. blessing friwi....
thank you
Submitted by Friwi on
thank you so so much for your kind words. You also give me hope, that its not all bad. I know deep down that its not all bad and when the ADD isn't in the way of us living a happy life, its so easy to forget about it and let it slide Its easier to leave the conflicts and the arguments for another time. But when he's so busy trying to juggle all these balls, its hard to not see beyond it. Your honesty is really refreshing and I appreciate it a lot. I know the medication alone won't be a magic pill, but sometimes I can't help but think that anything must be better than nothing. In any case, I have started to some research and understand the cognitive behavioural therapy might help with the other stuff. Anyway, thank you so much for taking the time to read my long winded story and for reaching out. I can't express how much it means to talk about this with people that 'get it'.
Friwi, our lives differ in
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
Friwi, our lives differ in many ways but there is one big way in which I can relate to your situation, and it is this: my husband's father is much more important to him than I am or than our children are. My husband's job now is to live with his parents and be a caregiver, which mostly involves him making meals, keeping his mom, who has Alzheimer's disease, company, and doing the grocery shopping. My husband gets paid ridiculously low wages, never comes to our house (130 miles away), and never calls. He started this job, which was supposed to be temporary while he was looking for a good-paying position, almost three years ago, the day after our youngest daughter left for college. I really feel as though I've been deserted.
Its so bitter sweet isn't it,
Submitted by Friwi on
Its so bitter sweet isn't it, that at the same time that I finally feel like I'm not alone in how i'm experiencing all this stuff, it also means that you are also having to experience the same heartbreak re- not being a priority. It sounds horrible to say this, but I was expecting I would have to deal with the same situation as you. I'm sorry to say that I'm glad it never got to that point, mostly coz his mother passed away before we got here and we don't live in the same town as my in-laws. But i still get anxious everytime there's a phone call from his family. What are they going to order him to do this time? What plans are they going to change this time? What am I gonna be forced to do against my will? Who wont he be strong enough to stand up to this time?
I do have to be fair and say that I have adapted to life as well as could be expected but living in limbo is what is making it worse. Its really destabilising for the both of us and it doesn't help that his family dramas are more important than making sure our life is stable. I can tell my husband i'm upset about something and he'll literally just stare at me like a stunned mullet. Yet his sister will tell him that their father is depressed and he'll make the effort to call him and talk things through without any thought to me [he decided to make this call just before we were going to settle down and watch a movie].
I don't even have add but know that we both need some sort of stability. But my hubby won't make any decisions on this. Its not completely his fault in that he has applied for other jobs but wasn't successful. But he also works in such a specific field and is being too stubborn about broadening his career aspects so that we can plan our lives better. When i recently suggested that it might be better for me to go back to NZ [careerwise], he simply stated that he needs to be with his family. I just can't get over that. So essentially he's putting the decision on me. He gets to ignore add and i have to either live with it or return to NZ without him. There's never ever a compromise with us. But if I ever challenge him on this fact, all he has to say is 'i stayed in NZ for you' and i'm supposed to shut up [even though i was the one putting all the effort in and organising our lives].
I'm sorry i wish I could offer some words of comfort but i'm just getting a handle on all this add stuff myself. I'm trying to search for the silver lining myself. The best I can offer is that you're not alone in experiencing this and hope that you can find your own silver lining at some point soon. We all need a little hope to cling on to but i know its tough. Hang in there and keep reading about add. Educating myself has been really empowering even if it doesn't actually fix anything :-]
Friwi, Rosered
Submitted by Standing on
It is abandonment and I know how much this hurts. I feel that... If it were not mother, or father, it would be someone or something else. That's what my experience has taught me. In our home, early on, for a short while it was me! (To the point that I practically felt stalked by my own husband, his hyperfocus was so intense), and then for a number of years it was computer addiction gaming), and before that - one hobby or another, recording limitless movies from television, and now a business (which is actually a combination of the above - a hobby gone wild!) So many hopes and desires for what I think of as a true union of hearts... left in the dust.
cheers to abandonment
Submitted by Friwi on
yeah, it is isn't it. And you're so right. Before his mum got sick, there was always something else. When we first met, we were in a long distance relationship and god it drove me nuts. I would text him and sometime he wouldn't reply for a week. When I'd ask him about it, he couldn't give me an answer. So i thought he wasn't interested in me and when i tried to break up with him, realised he really truly did want to be with me but he just absoloutly sucked at communicating. So i learnt very early on that if i wasn't in front of him, i didn't exist. Thankfully I'm staunchly independent but man, there's only so much a girl can handle. Even after living together for 3 years, he'd come to France for a month or more and quite literally forget to make contact. I remember one time he was in the countryside. There was no reception or landline phone. So he just didn't make an effort to contact me for about 3 days. When he finally got back to civilisation, he couldn't understand why i was so upset. Why couldn't he drive to the nearest town to send me a quick email or text message just to explain that there wasn't any reception? France is not like NZ where you can literally drive for hours without finding a phonebooth. You only need to drive about 30minutes max to find civilisation and he just didn't even bother. It just drives me insane.
Sometimes it happens even when i'm rigth in front of him. Just recently we were camping and I specifically asked for his help to adjust my backpack [a massive hiking backpack] while it was on my back. Somebody called out to him for help and he quite literally dropped the backpack out of his hands and left me standing there like an idiot. I was so upset. Then there are the millions of times we have made plans of our own, and when someone says to him/us 'come and do this', he either accepts right away without thinking about the plans we already made or he'll look at me with these puppy dog eyes so that I have to be the one to either say 'yeah sure ok' or be the big bad wolf and explain why we can't [which is difficult to do in France because they're very collective and like to do things in big groups and have this particular way of co-ercing you into things].
So yeah..... god, it shouldn't be so hard right. Relationships are supposed to be about feeling as one. Its such ashame coz when the add isn't controlling my hubby, its true we are such kindred spirits. Intellectually he stimulates me far more than anyone else and he totally understands some of my bizarre quirks. Thats why i love him. I felt like the odd one out my whole life until i met him. But shit, add and abandonment is a hell of a price to pay to experience those beautiful moments of synergy..... which are becoming few and far between. Grrrrrrrrr.
Hugs, Friwi
Submitted by Standing on
You've got it.
From what I have seen, add is "one" with the moment, and so in a constant state of flux.
For someone who values constancy and desires to be #1 priority in another's life... I just don't think that's possible.
My husband shows me that he loves me by taking the time to pick out some exotic cheese at the market. (I am part mouse :))
It's very sweet of him, yes. Thoughtful. Except somehow I am left feeling like it was more about the fun he had selecting something new (he "eats" vicariously through me... lol... no, I will not try to explain that) and so feels that he had an adventure?
And I do not know what that has to do with the topic, except that he sometimes decides that I should try some novel flavor of something when he would not touch such a thing with a ten foot pole, but somehow I am supposed to be glad for it? Very strange.
I would say - relish the friendship, but accept every aspect of the person the way he is, because you cannot change him one iota.
Just out of curiosity, is
Submitted by Friwi on
Just out of curiosity, is your husband being treated for add or no? Its funny, yesterday i still had a little hope left but after we had yet another argument about stuff, I just feel numb now and don't know what to think/do anymore. He keeps saying that I'm just attacking him but i'm not. I'm trying to reach out to him because it is just so hard to deal with and nothing will improve if he continues to ignore what is going on. I can't do jack without him making the first move. But he insisist that he is trying hard. What I have read, and what he doesn't understand is that its not about trying hard. Which, in any case, how can he be trying hard to work on himself when he wont even pick up a damn book or go on a forum like this? How is it trying hard when he's staring at his smartphone playing games half the night. How is it trying hard when I ask him for help with stuff and he ignores me? How is it trying hard when I beg him for one week of his time so that we can have a romantic little getaway - which i thought was obvious that we needed, and he tells me that summer [in France] is about spending time with family and friends. Yet I'm the one who is being unreasonable and picking on him when i point out that i just need him. It is the most horrible thing to sit here trying to reach out to a husband who storms out, banging around, throwing accusations at me about how I am the one who has got it all wrong. And in the end, he always wins because he stayed in NZ for me and left his mum to die alone..... god i wanna cry right now.
He just doesn't see that he overlooks me and if/when i point it out, we have a completely different view of the world. He is adamant he has done everything possible for me/for us, but I dont see it that way at all. He lives with me, yes, we do stuff together [in silence half of the time or me talking to myself at least], but there is this massive chasm between us right now and if i kept my mouth shut, he would ignore it. He can't share his deepest feelings with me. I admit that I need help accepting some of the things he says to me.... the problem is that instead of sharing things with me in the first instant, he will either forget to tell me, or if he eventually has to tell me, he will wait until the very last moment, at which stage whatever he has to share comes as a total shock because he hasn't prepared me for it at all. But its not fair because he just wont read about add so while I can see that this is his add symptom which I have become reactive to, he has no idea. As far as he's concerned, he just can't tell me stuff coz i get upset. And its like, well if you told me stuff in advance and with a little bit of empathy or compassion, maybe I wouldn't get so upset. And he also doesn't realise that he's not good at compromising. Which is the weirdest thing because he loves to please everyone in the whole god damn world, except for me? When I have the audacity to ask for my needs to be put first, he throws all these accusations about how he's been doing that all along.... and its just not true. I mean, yes, I rely on him financially. And yes, when things are good [aka when he doesn't have a million other things on his mind and when we have stability in our lives], they're really good. But at the moment, they are really crap.
What is also a massive issue for me, are the cultural differences. I grew up in a bi-cultural environment, so I am very much aware of culture and how it impacts on us and how to adapt from one environment to another. I also love different cultures, so I have learnt how to stand outside of my own culture and to view things more objectively. But my husband is socially awkward and is hardly aware of himself, let alone how he's being affected by culture. So in France, I am accutely aware of the different types of forces at play. One of things that gets to me, is that the French are really communal/collective. They have a social stamina that i just cant keep up with. I love hanging out with people, but I also enjoy my own company just as much. I am fiercely independent and normally have no problems standing up for myself and getting my needs met. But in France, its a completely different ball game. They refer to Anglos [that is English, Americans, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders] as individualists, but in the negative sense of the word, truly believing that we only look out for number one. Whereas in France, it is almost impossible to make an executive decision. Instead they prefer to have meeting, after meeting, after meeting to come to a consensus. I believe very much in equality [and why i love france in many respects], but when you have to have a debate about the smallest decision i.e. where a group of ten people should have lunch, I dont get why you don't just go your separate ways. Thats why they are great at arguing and debating, because if you're not good at getting your point across, it will actually be impossible for your needs to be met.
This is a massive problem. My husband is a people pleaser and avoids conflict as much as humanly possible [and even when he is confronted with it, he either freezes - usually with his family.... he just lets them railroad him. Of course when i point that out, he tells me its not true.... its so true. Or, in my case, he will shout me down.... lately, its like he hates me]. He always comes back to apologise, but the damage has been done. I just can't believe he thinks he can talk to me the way he does, and then say sorry and force me to hug him.... i know he feels terrible. I know its sincere but it doesn't take back what he has just said or done. I've begun to get a bit freaked by his anger. Apparently he used to have anger issues as a kid but he started self medicating with marijuana when he was a teenager, so for most of his adult life he's been Mr. Cool guy. But recently I have seen this angry side and its ugly. This is what is pushing me away from him. So anyway, he's a people pleaser and avoids conflict, so if we are in group situations in France, both our needs go out the window. But he doesn't see any of it. I just wish we could go back to NZ where I have so more power - at the very least, i am fluent in english and can get my needs met without needing his help. Here, I need his help more than ever - as a wife and as a foreigner, and he just doesn't know how to SEE.
So... today I've lost my mojo. I just dont see any way forward. He emailed some french add association for information but they haven't got back to him. I honestly dont know how much more of this i can take. I love him - although right now, i am on the verge of resenting him so much. This whole situation is just so hard.
No real treatment
Submitted by Standing on
Friwi, My husband takes adderall, which helps him to be more focused, but this med does nothing to create an emotional connection. He is not in therapy. He's attended counseling with me on 3 occasions out of about 30, but he resents any implication that he has issues beyond his admitted dis-organization. He gives every appearance of liking himself quite well just exactly the way he is. Two things that I feel create a reciprocal bond between us are: 1) when I work with him in his business and he views me as supportive (in other words, when I agree with him about his directives) and 2) sex. These create a momentary union, a cease-fire in the battle between add and my desire for a fully functional, empathetic relationship.
You are a most excellent communicator, Friwi. I suspect that what breaks your heart beyond words is your husband's inability to comprehend your very clear expressions of desire. You also strike me as very insightful and intuitive. It hurts so much when the one person on whom we've hung all of our hopes does not get us! When we can discuss anything under the sun except for that which is nearest and dearest to our hearts.
Your experience in your marriage is classic add/non-add, I expect. The way through may require more acceptance and relinquishment than you are prepared to offer (this is what I keep telling myself.) My heart hurts for you, for all of us in similar circumstances. I recommend that you continue pouring it all out here and in counseling. Let it flow. Talk it through and feel every bit of it. And give up on expecting add to view the world as you do. I know that my husband's reality is vastly different from my own, and as long as I continue trying to get him to "see" things from my perspective, I will be disappointed. Clarify your non-negotiables. The first one I would tackle is his acting out in anger, the raging. Several months ago, my husband of 10 years freaked me out, too. He was at maximum stress level and I was shocked that he had that level of venom in him. When I came to my senses, I told him, "I will not allow you to speak to me that way again." This has not happened since.
You've heard of the stages of grief. We can apply that to our situations, I think, as we face each element of our own awakening to what we have in these add relationships. When someone tells me that he is doing his very best, I have to accept that and decide whether I can continue to live with it. When he says that he loves me and cares for my needs as well as he can, I have to re-evaluate those needs to determine how to get the leftovers met. (I have alot of leftovers, and you likely will, too.) There are so many adjustments and I am only just beginning to face them. BUT there are several things to which I will never adjust. One is anger, another is affairs - emotional or physical, and disrespect. You will have to clarify your own requirements, keeping them simple and reinforcing them regularly. One of the most difficult things for me is overcoming my revulsion for the constant grasping of add. My husband used to do this internally, by zoning out on the computer. Now that he has his own business, the grasping is much more vocal and active, like a whirlwind. It's an attempt to satisfy a craving. A discontent that sets me deeply on edge. I am such an introvert, and so desperately need down-time to contemplate and to reset my energy levels... the communal culture you've described would send me to the moon! I would LOVE it if my husband would see this about me, treasure it, cherish it, and do everything in his power to Protect my heart... but he cannot. He is too tangled up in his own inner world. He always will be. I must stop blaming him for being who he is.
That's why I said, relish the friendship. It is what it is. If you both were to return to NZ, he would still take all of this with him. Long after his family is gone, he will still carry whatever it is that they hold over him in his psyche, I think he is utterly overwhelmed now and that's why you are seeing the mean side, the anger. He looks at you and he knows you have such strong desires and he loves that about you, but he is unable to meet you there. It is so very difficult. Please do not stop being You, but learn how to allow him to be himself and don't hold that against him. So much easier said than done. I wish you peace.
Really good support, Standing
Submitted by NLKohlenberger on
Standing,
You have given Friwi some really excellent advice and support here. I think what happens is that when we are in courtship, we tend to overlook some behaviors that aren't very satisfying, like non-communication over a period of days, and hope that once we get married, everything is going to miraculously change for the better. It's hard, as a woman, not to have some of those fairytale fantasies in our heads. Then we get married, and our husbands are distant, or don't show loving in the ways we had hoped they would, and we feel cheated, and surprised, and like things should be so very different than they are. Unfortunately, these men are who they are. And ADD symptoms can make it very challenging for them to "behave" as we would like them to. Thus, our picture of what our lives "should" look like, and the reality often don't match up. I know that was true for me, and I grieved for a while before I was willing to accept that my life was not going to have some fairy tale ending. My husband is a wonderful man, but there are still ADD symptoms to work with that impact our lives every day. I've had to learn to accept and make lemonade in order to find some semblance of happiness, and some level of peace.
I really appreciate your ability to be honest with yourself about your marriage, and to get the help you deserve so that you can do your best to keep your marriage vows, and learn how to make your life work to the best of your ability. You paint an honest picture, and yet it is clear you have been working on yourself and your part in the whole thing. I give you a lot of credit for taking such a candid look, and for sharing yourself with kindness and compassion for others.
My best to you,
glimpses of hope coming back
Submitted by Friwi on
Thank you so so much for all of your insights Standing. I've tried to talk with friends but as they don't understand add, they can't imagine what life is like, often telling me that what I'm describing sounds just like their partner or even themselves. Having said that, what you say is quite sobering.... at the same time that it's hard to read, I also feel a bit of relief... mostly that you're able to articulate what happens in your relationship and still manage to get through it. You're really quite inspiring. I mean, seriously, how on earth do you get through all this?
And I do hear what you're saying and completely agree. I totally accept that I need to make changes in terms of my own behaviours, expectations and assumptions. I have never taken anything in this world for granted and that includes my own assumptions about how life should be lived. I grew up in a heavily multicultural environment. My extended family and friends represent all the colours of the rainbow and on top of that, both of my grandmothers worked in the mental health sector, one of whom adopted a patient when the local institution closed. So i'm not kidding when I say it is second nature to put my assumptions aside and adapt to other ways of being/doing. So I don't see add as any different. Its another culture. Its another way of being in the world. its another way of seeing the world. Its another way of experiencing the world. But we both need to discover this culture together.
Because I'm really angry, I know I haven' been fair to him in any of these descriptions but I do see him. I think my husband's brain is just fascinating - it is exactly what attracted me to him in the first place and i wouldn't trade that for anything. He doubts himself and his abilities way too much but frankly I think he's a bloody genius. And while I don't condone smoking marijuana habitually, the fact is when he's under the influence he does actually connect in the way that I need. For some reason it completely calms him down and he communicates like any other person would, in fact sometimes i can't shut him up. When he's in that state, he shares amazing clarity on loads of issues and he's not afraid to share his thoughts either [he can actually do mathematical equations in that state of mind?]. So I know for a fact that when he isn't overwhelmed trying to juggle a million different balls, or in the same country as his family and trying to please their every whim, while he still drives me nuts, we mesh well enough - and i'm happy with that. I can overlook the more frustrating aspects of add. I even find his little quirks and hyperfocus funny, cute and interesting [just dont tell him i said that :-p ].
My heartbreak comes from the fact that we have known better but right now, he is overwhelmed and his head is in space half the time. And on top of all this, we have moved countries and are having to adapt to life as a couple under completely different circumstances. I really, truly mean it when I say I could deal with the add on its own. Just as I could deal with France [included in this is his family] on its own. But the two together are starting to feel impossible. Here's just a small glimpse into how daily life can be a struggle. I'm not fluent in French, which means my husband has no choice but to deal with most of our admin/accounts by himself, this is on top of working full time, having to deal with family things [i.e. family estate], and help me with my needs. I have only just started going to appointments [with the doctors/social security] without needing him to take time off work. Even today, I received a call from our electricity provider and they hung up on me because my French isn't fluent enough [i am working on this and have been making huge advances, but the fact is that fluency happens over time]. So life in France has tipped the balance of responsibilities all onto him and it doesn't matter how much I want to help, I cant. But that surely shouldn't mean that I should settle for an empty shell for a husband?
I honestly don't think add has to be seen as a negative thing. I just want us to actually deal with it, together, you know, tackle it head on. I am slightly apprehensive about getting my hopes up, but since my first and subsequent posts, hubby has made a concerted effort to read the 'adhd effect on marriage' [FINALLY]. And in the last 2 days he has emailed some French add association to ask where he can get a diagnosis. Unfortunately they haven't responded to him. So.... I'm just trying to figure out where we can go from here. I mean, do you know if its possible to get a diagnosis with professionals in north america via phone conferencing? We just need some guidance.....
All that aside, thank you so much Standing. Really, thank you for sharing your experiences and insights. Please, if you can offer any more advice or even refer me to any other resources that have helped you or your husband through some tough times, I would be really really grateful.
Thank you, Friwi and Nancie,
Submitted by Standing on
Thank you both. I can't express how very much it means to me to be heard and understood. There has not been much of that in my life, ever, so I feel quite stunted myself, emotionally. I was the ideal participant for dysfunctional relationships, and my current marriage is not the first. At 54, i have often felt like a magnet for all sorts of troubled interactions. For most of my life, I had no voice. This add driven marriage is responsible for forcing me out of my fear of confrontation. I feel like I'm finally ready to grow up and to stop allowing someone whose ways seem to overpower me to drive me into silence. In many ways, my battle is with myself, far more than it is with my current husband.
Nancie mentioned fairytale endings. I told my husband last night that I think I was placing a huge responsibility upon him for fulfilling some fantasy that prior relationships failed to meet (and that is putting it mildly). I was making him responsible for my feelings, expecting him to fill the shoes of a romantic image that does not exist in reality, i was becoming more and more reactive to him and accomplishing nothing but to add fuel to the fire. He cannot complete me. That's not his purpose in life. He does not have to try to be someone he is not in order to prove that he cares for me. And on the flip side... If I allow him to violate my boundaries without consequences, then that is My bad.
If i choose to devote the rest of my life to trying to get him to see my perspective, I will be one anxious, frustrated old woman. I want more out of life and I told him so. The ball is in his court now.
Friwi, I recommend that you define your needs (not wants), take a sincere inventory and prioritize them, then ask yourself how You can go about getting those needs met. Let him off the hook for now and toe your own line. If he wants to be a bigger part of that action, you will know. If not, then you are still that work in progress, stretching and growing. Smile :). Make some pleasant moments for yourself, okay?