My partner (ADD) and I (not ADD) are currently working our way through the couple's seminar. We actually did it live, but life got in the way about week 3 and we weren't able to keep up - so now 6 months later, we are trying it again on our own. We're getting pretty close to doing the Chore Score section, but I am really struggling with what to include here. My partner works full time - often until 8 or 9pm a night. He keeps saying he wants to come home earlier, but often can't because he over slept and didn't get in until 10am so needs to make up the time (plus just dealing with the standard ADD lack of efficiency challenges). I work part-time (I full weekday, 1-2 evenings a week and/or half a weekend day), homeschool, sit on the board of our homeschool organization (and as such coordinate a large learning co-op), am working on my dissertation, and have a couple of other small volunteer responsibilities. We have 2 teenagers, a 9 yr old and a 3 yr old (and 2 grown kids). I honestly believe that I either do all the household chores or I manage the kids doing them. I do all laundry (except for my 16 yr old, and the middle 2 put theirs away), all shopping, all food preparation unless the kids are doing it when I am not home or my partner doesn't like what I made and then he makes his own, nearly all kitchen cleaning except for unloading the dishwasher, all bill paying, all mowing and taking care of hiring out other yard work, bathrooms, general organizing and cleaning, the kids and I rotate around sweeping, moping, vacuuming, and I make sure they've taken care of the cats and done the trashes (the only 2 things in the house I pretty much never touch, but I always have to be aware of them). My partner is essentially only responsible for the "honey-do" list of household projects that are literally years behind what they would ideally be for our family (i.e. he was going to build a swing set when we moved in 3.5 yrs ago, but hasn't gotten to it and several of the kids are now pretty much too old). But it isn't because he isn't doing anything (most of the time - the late nights/difficulty getting up is an issue), it's just that he is so incredibly inefficient and resistant to strategies to change that that it will literally take him 20-50x longer to do something that it would me (side projects, indecision, etc). So for example - I've desperately needed him to organize his stuff in the basement (electronics and musical equipment) for a month now because we are hosting a class in the basement - this is a project that should have taken at most a weekend. He spent all day Sunday going through old hard-drives to catalog them leaving the rest of the huge pile of electornics in the middle of the floor. It's not that the hard drives didn't need to be cataloged, but there was no hurry - he could have put them in a box labeled "old hard drives" and come back to them during a family movie night or some such. But if we're doing a "Chore Score" does he get "credit" for those 9 hrs? That I spent dealing with kids, making 3 meals and subsequent clean-up, organizing the next homeschool year and trying to get some work done on my dissertation? Does hours spent at work count? What about hours for my research? What about homeschool related activities - and only if it is for our family specifically and directly or those that I do to help run our group (which is an important part of my children's expereince? What about when I take them to their social activities? Classes, etc? And what about the emotional and mental labor of keeping track of all of this?
Thank you!
WOW...You have a busy life.....
Submitted by c ur self on
A few things jump out at me as I read....We all can, and do, fall into the trap of letting our lives get so "large" and spread out, that it becomes almost impossible to keep up with it, and that kind of schedule creates it's own suffering, (physically, psychologically and emotionally) I say reading this you may qualify....
On the other, based on your post, I see a high performer who is very efficient and capable....I love that you are teaching your children that every member of the family is a working member....They will have a great chance of being responsible adults because of it....
As for as your partner's inability to accomplish (and subsequent refusal to try, the reason for the chore list) what you can, at a level of attention and timeliness that you can, isn't surprising to me....Not every one has the ability of mind to multi-task on your level....
But to try and answer your question....I would say the only way to make this chore list fair for both of you....You will need to allot time to all tasks including time in the bed....If you really want to see where your time is going....If you are in bed 6 or 7 hours, and he is in bed 9, then he is behind 2 or 3 hours when he gets up....His on the job hours has to count, but, you should have a way to figure lost time...I know for sure that some people who abhor work, will find things to do to stay away from home if work is going on there....You can show him all the facts about his life compared to your life....But don't look for him to be a different person the next day....fools gold....
Now saying that I do hope that y'all can peacefully work through your issues....Even if some things have to be put off until the small chldren can do more self care....
I will pray for you....
C
Thank you C!
Submitted by jessme on
So it sounds like you're thinking from the time we take ourselves "off the clock" - i.e. sit down to decompress with book, tv, video game, etc (which we both do before bed) until we get up and going in the morning that's the "off time" and then the other is the on/chore time? I actually like being fairly busy and at this point don't mind the level of responsibility I have for th house (it was much harder when I was more out numbered by little people who made more messes and were less help), but a) I want to be seen in that level of effort - I don't feel like he really understands the existence of the house elf and the fact that he can drop his clothes on the floor and they appear clean and folded within 24 hours. Appreciation/ acknowledgement. and b) while I totally get that he will never be as efficient as I am and I don't need him to be (for the most part) but I do get resentful when it is really myself and/or the kids that are most impacted by the consequences of "his chores" not getting done; particularly when the stuff that would most impact him *is* getting done because I'm the one doing it. So my fear is that we'll sit down to do this exercise and he'll say "look at all this time that I spent cleaning the basement for you" and I'll still be annoyed that we didn't get to the other dozen things that we could have in that same time frame that were equally important, if that makes sense? i.e. the fact that he worked on the basement all months does not make up for the fact that we still don't have a swing set for the kids.
A couple of thoughts.....
Submitted by c ur self on
Some times the best lessons come with experience (experiencing the thing)...Trying to verbally point out to another adult, that they need to step up in areas can be a difficult sale....Especially for some minds who are defensive to begin with (for what ever reason)...
Lets say I'm your husband....And you request my presents at the kitchen table, look me in the eyes and say:...We are having trouble communicating...So instead of talking about who should be doing what...I've decided to change a couple of the things I've been doing. That way you can understand what I am trying to verbally say without words and absolutely no communication problems:) Then you say to me something like this: I'm not going to touch any of your clothes for 3 months (at least)....You will wear them, wash them, fold them and put them away...If it gets done! Then you kiss me on the check and walk away and keep your word to me....If I leave them in the floor in the bedroom or bath rooms after the talk...You just kick the in the corner out of your way....It would be a really good educational piece for me....
Also the comment about look how much time I spent doing the basement for you!...That is a victim statement....Your reply to me should be a question....You did it for who?? And when he says you again...You say Oh! I am so sorry I mistook you for the guy who sleeps in our bed and eats at our table and enjoys all the fruits of a husband....It' amazing how much you look like my husband....
smarter always = actions.....Words to a defensive mind = unnecessary anxiety and chaos....
blessings
C