The lies and deceit kill me. And some of the things he says. Its incredulous that he thinks I believe all the stuff he says. And sometimes he lies to other people in order to cover up a mistake. Its like he is trying to project an image of being perfect.
I have been handling so many things wrong for so many years. Now I am trying to do things better. And he will notice and comment. His behavior will improve for a while, then it's back to the same old thing. I am doing a marriage program I saw online. The advice is that when you are at the point you think you're done, give it another year. There are all these things you do in hopes that your spouse sees the changes and adjusts his/her behavior therefore making the marriage better. I don't know that this will work with someone who has ADHD. There is no consistency. He sees improvements, he acknowledges my improvement, and he changes for a few days. But it is only on the surface. The woman friend that he told me he was going to end a relationship with (emotional not sexual) is still in the picture as much as he tries to get me to believe that she is not. I want to take a hammer to his bleeping cell phone. If you don't have anything to hide, why is it that any time I am around, you turn the phone over to face down?
I posted here last year about the lying and the emotional affair being related to ADHDer impulsive behavior. An ADHD person responded that it was not impulsivity but it was selfishness that causes him to act this way and that until he hits rock bottom, he won't change. Well a few months ago, he was intent on taking his own life after he found out I had a long discussion with the other woman. He had been lying to her too (shocker). And we both let him have it. He then decided to try to use suicide as an escape route. But the night before his attempt, I took all the guns and locked them and took the bolt from the rifle and locked it up too. After I got the email that contained his intent to harm himself, I called the police who tracked him down (thank God for Onstar). He was taken to the hospital but by the time I got there, he had talked his way out of being admitted (yes, he convinced a trained professional that he was not a danger to himself) and was released. Luckily, this slowed him down enough to realize taking his life wasn't the answer. But you would think that this was rock bottom. Nope, still lies and still has contact with this woman. After all this, why should I expect he will ever change? He is on meds (when he remembers to take them) but not seeing a counselor. We tried counseling but that was a nightmare for him and he won't go back. So I went alone for months. I stopped going when I thought the emotional infidelity was over because I can deal with the other aspects of ADHD. I know the "affair" isn't over so I have been trying everything else to get this marriage to work. I went back to the counselor and will probably go again soon. Try as I may to change, that bleeping cell phone is a trigger for me and I get angry. Especially when I am doing all the right things. I don't think I can make it a year unless he changes and it consistent with it.
sorry you are going through this
Submitted by dedelight4 on
Sade88, so sorry you are going through this. My husband also has ADHD, and he went through the emotional affair that turned into a full blown affair that lasted for 3 years. It was devastating. I still haven't fully learned to trust him yet. With the ADHD aside, (in my opinion) as long as your husband is in an emotional relationship with someone else, he isn't giving his full attention to you and the relationship between you both. Until that is over with, I don't know how you guys can totally heal.
The thing that hurt me the most was all the lying. My husband kept lying about it right to my face, until I found a letter that spelled it out in detail. Even after it was all over with, he was going to just "let it go" without telling me the truth, thinking we could just get past it somehow. (until I found the letter) I don't know HOW he even thought that was possible. Lies can be seriously damaging in any relationship, I think. But, some people do it with ease. I'm glad you husband didn't follow through with the suicide threat, and that you were diligent and took it seriously. I pray better days for you.
Sade88 - Amazing
Submitted by jennalemon on
You are amazing. You did all that FOR that dh who obviously does not care one stitch about your relationship. You have love and comfort and sincerity to offer. You called the police to find him Onstar when you thought HE might be in trouble. OMG. You are the rock star of caring and going out of your way to make things right FOR HIM. You really are amazing. I am not being sarcastic. Many of us on this site are amazing.
Read about what my counselor said to me about my "being overzealous in caring to make things right for others". You are doing it too. God bless you.
It is time for us to stop being amazing for other people's welfare and start being amazing for our own sanity and self respect.
Sade, i am sorry
Submitted by Standing on
Liar husband
Submitted by katetd on
Oh dear, im so sorry to hear of this! It sounds to me like your husband may have bigger problems than just ADHD. I have ADHD and im not a liar but my (now ex) husband turned out to be a pathalogical liar, conman & sneaky crazymaking emotionally & mentally abusive individual. It turns out he is highly likely to have a personality disorder. It wasnt until I was diagnosed with ADHD & started taking meds & get counselling etc that i started realising ..... Im not suggesting yours has a personality disorder (not enough info) but something major is not right... There is no way that ive ever heard of to make a marriage work if someone is still having an affair...i know this is easier said than done, but id be wanting a commitment from him to stop ALL contact with her & go into couple therapy with you ...if he cant or wont...id be out of there personally.... You deserve much much better than this abuse...
Unfortunate circumstances
Submitted by NLKohlenberger on
Sade88,
I am in agreement with katetd. There is something bigger going on here than simply ADHD, particularly based on a suicide attempt, and an ongoing emotional affair afterwards. If your husband is not willing to get help, and stop the affair, the future of your marriage certainly seems questionable.
Whatever he decides to do, I really support you to seek counseling to strengthen yourself during this time, and to help you move ahead in the ways that are most supportive to you.
thank you
Submitted by Sade88 on
Thank you Nancie and everyone else for your replies. Sorry for not posting this sooner. I didn't check back to see if I had received any responses.
Things had gotten better for a while but we are back to the same place. The lies continue and he is deflecting and projecting (I think those are the correct terms). When I try to discuss things with him, he changes the topic to something else or makes it seem like I have a problem (And I do have a problem. I can't trust him). I told him on Saturday that I needed him to see a counselor. He has been good about going to the psychiatrist for his ADD meds and a neurologist for his sleep problems but he still hasn't seen a counselor. I was seeing a counselor consistently for a year and stopped when I thought things were better. I have now been going as needed. The counselor is familiar with ADD because her son has it. She said her son, who is young adult, lies all the time too. But I am contemplating finding a counselor who specializes in relationships involving ADD not just one who happens to have a son with ADD. My only hesitancy is that she knows the whole background of my situation and I don't want to have to start over with a new person.
I have considered that he may have a personality disorder and I know that a high percentage of people with ADD have other disorders. At this point, giving whatever his problem is a name is not as important as having him getting help or treatment for whatever it is. As with other couples who live with ADD, our finances are not great. Having one of us move would be complicated and difficult. BTW, his invalid mother and brother live here. The brother takes care of the mother. His mother had a gambling problem and so does his brother. His brother went through $84,000.00 of his mother's retirement money in about 6 months. And who was the one who figured all this out? Me. Twice I had saw abnormalities with her finances (I pay her bills) and thought we took steps to stop the hemorrhaging of money from her account. Then his brother found another way to get at her money. I felt bad because I saw something I thought was out of place and didn't act on it. He is going to gamblers anonymous now. So between her gambling before her stroke, his gambling, and the dip in the stock market in 2009 ( she wasn't savvy enough to move her money out of the mutual fund into something else) the $500,000.00 retirement account is now $38,000. The only up side is that she is getting a big settlement for a workers comp case. So we shouldn't have to keep paying for her expenses too much longer. All that to say, his family has behavior issues. I think his dad was an alcoholic and may even be ADD too. I pray that my son doesn't have any major issues when he is an adult. He has ADD but it seems to only effect his school work. No problems with behavior or interpersonal relationships.
I am reading Melissa's book and have invested time in other marital and ADD related material. I have become a better person and try to manage my responses to his behavior. But there is only so much a person can handle. If he doesn't get help, I am done trying. If he gets help and the behavior doesn't improve, I am done. I'll tough it out long enough for my son to graduate from high school. In the end, if this doesn't work, my son will lose the most.
How you are doing
Submitted by NLKohlenberger on
Sade 88,
What you have not mentioned here is the affair he'd been having for so long. I wonder if that is still ongoing. If things were getting better, maybe it ended. I really encourage you to stick to your position regarding him getting some help, or the two of you getting help as a couple with a counselor that understands ADHD couple's relationships. It is good that he continues to see his psychiatrist, but there are clearly behavioral issues that need work.
I appreciate what you are saying about sticking it out until your son graduates from high school, but without help, that may be very difficult to do. Whatever you decide, just be sure you are taking care of yourself because it will not do your son any good to observe a relationship where a man gets to continuously lie to and take advantage of a woman. That will not bode well for his future relationships. He needs a better example than that.
I wish you the best.
thank you
Submitted by Sade88 on
Nancie,
Yes, the affair continues. I thought it was over but it isn't. We have things in our house that need to be done. We have a business to run. But he goes to her place and does repairs for her. He even used our money to buy something that she needed. A Home Depot receipt is the norm for us. But a receipt for a bathroom faucet and we haven't replaced a bathroom faucet gets noticed.
Fortunately, our son has been shielded from this behavior. I intend to keep it that way. Even if we go our separate ways, he will not hear from me any of the details as to why.
Your choice
Submitted by NLKohlenberger on
Sade88,
Only you know how much deception you are willing to put up with. If he is lying about so many other things, why wouldn't he be lying about sleeping with her?
Again, I really support you to take care of yourself and do what is best for you. When he is old enough to understand what has been going on, your son will probably figure it out and he will respect you more for meeting your needs despite your husband's poor behavior.
thank you again
Submitted by Sade88 on
We have been married for 18 years. I know him well enough to know what the lies are and what the truth is. I know what his behavior pattern was when he was sleeping with another women. This isn't the same. My two twenty something children don't know the ugly of this relationship. And neither will my youngest son.
The last 2 days have been up and down. On Tuesday, I went to my support group meeting for people with spouses who have ADD. My husband asked me to meet him after the meeting because the location was close to where he was working that evening. While we were having dinner, he asked me if anyone's spouse was worse then he is. I didn't know how to respond without hurting him. But earlier that day, he was on the insurance company's website trying to find a provider. So that was a positive step.
He had been sleeping in another room but last night he slept in our bed. Part of me wasn't too keen on it but I didn't say anything. I told him this morning I couldn't have him there. Of course he was upset. But I can't have him get to the point where he thinks everything is okay when its not.
I think he is afraid of what he has to face if he goes to counseling. Its like a person who is afraid to go to the doctor because they don't want to hear the diagnosis. But I am standing my ground. If he doesn't get help and try to change, I am not going to try anymore.
Lying husband
Submitted by katetd on
hi sade, im so sorry to hear more about your situation but pleased to hear you are deciding to set a limit. You mentioned wondering if he had a personality disorder? I confess to having wondered that myself when you were first describing his behaviour and even more wonder it as I read more. i did not want to jump to suggesting it but as you mentioned it thought Id chip in. I am separated almost 2 years now feom my husband of 15 years. His behaviour was very similar to your husband and the destruction was appalling. It is pretty much a certsinty that he has Narcstic personalit or antisocial personality disorder... But he will never see he has a problem let slone go to get diagnoesd and seek treatment which unfortunately is often the way. You might want to read this to see if sny bells ring for you. If so I would seek out your own therapy to begin eith someone sho understands these disorders and rhe impact of them on people they get close to. If he does jave a personality disorr the usual rule dont spply as I found out the hard way. I would be very concerned for your emotional and psychological welfare and that of yoru son's :( bythe way Im the one with Adhd my husband is not. But your husband and mind sound so similar in the way they operate... :( i wish you all the best... You cannot protect your son or yourself from this toxic behaviour in the long run ...i dont believe anyway...
http://counsellingresource.com/lib/therapy/self-help/understanding/
Very good article, katetd
Submitted by Standing on
Article re Personality Disorders
Submitted by katetd on
hi there Standing! Im glad you found this article helpful - though Im not glad about the possible (?!) reasons why! :( If you think your husband has a personality disorder my advice (from personal experience, what Ive learnt and observed about these character disordered people in m own life and the lie of others) is that the chance of things getting better are minimal to worse and that if I were you I would be to get out while you still can! I became progressively more and more a risk of committing suicide to the point of making plans (SO UNLIKE ME) in the last couple of years or so before separation!! The emotional and psychological damage that can be caused by being in relationship with these character disordered individuals is mindboggling and almost beyond comprehension (I wouldn't have believed or understood any of this until I experienced first hand!) - Im not sure ai eill recover fully in this life time but I am doing a it better with the right kind of help & support and it is a long slow painful process that cant be pushed or rushed generally!! Life is too short .... For this sort of shite!! :( <3 you can read some of my bits and pieces in the site to see my process of coming to understand whats been going on if its an help! Xxx
Parenting issues
Submitted by katetd on
keyboard mucking up so cant say much at moment except have a 13 year old to the ex who is in therapy for Post Trauma now as result of HIM!! I wish Id left years ago now...i tried to protect her, its not possible and its terrible role modelling..kids are not stupid.... Please read this Sade!?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-gaspard-msw-licsw/is-living-with-a-narcissi_b_4863057.html
Thanks for sharing this
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
Thanks for sharing this article. So many of these behaviors are things my husband exhibits!
Rosered
Submitted by katetd on
sorry to hear it Rosered! :( i guess I should point out that probably any of us are capable of this sort of behaviour under certain stressful circumstances! Difference is that with character disorders is is consistent and endureing and pretty fixed over a life time ptetty much. Tricky thing is that with some of these people it is really hard to see or notice because they are consumate actors, chameleons and lyers' - often wolves in sheeps clothing (not necessarily the classic stereotypic exteovert egomaniacs we might envisage and that popular culture often portrays). Mine wa the worlds nicest guy and dad of the century - had me fooled and eventually brainwashed, gaslight and bamboozled - increasingly doubting my sense of reality, sanity and self and loosing all confidence at his hands all "in my own best interest"! It wasnt until I started treating and managing my adhd that I start coming too and as I got better HE acrually starting getting way worse (the mask came off!). Up until then he was take my behaviour very very personally indeed (nothing unusual in that - except with him it was extreme, at times irrational and very very fixed!) and kept telling me to go fix myself. So when I found out I hd Adhd like my daughter (ehich made a lot of sense to me about my previous life since childhood) and started getting better HE hated it I realise in retrospect! I couldnt ein whatever zi did! Even thouhg we noe knew and understood a bit about adhd he would not let go of my behaviour in his eyes still bein because of MY selfishness, manipulation, laziness, dishonesty etc etc - all major projection! And i was still ME that needed to FIX IT and nothing thathe needed to do a thing about! He would actually undermine my attempts to manage my own ADHD (as well as undermine my attempts to help and get help for our daughter with her adhd:! EXHAUSTING!! And then turn around aBLAME ME and use this as PROOF to reinforce what a lying deceitful selfish manipulative crazy bitch I was!! Which aim not and never have been (not perfect) but zi started to believe he was right more and more. Im still processing so much ... :(
Ps
Submitted by katetd on
all this went way eay beyond the adhd relationship dynamic that is so well described on this site by our benefactors here!!!
Apologies Sade
Submitted by katetd on
Sade, I just want to check that Im not monopolising your post here with my own experience? If I am I do apologise, I guess I hope it might be of help to you if it rings any bells but perhaps you would rather not have too much focus on this train of thinking either?! Its you Post - please let me know if its Ok or not? X
Apologies Sade
Submitted by katetd on
Sade, I just want to check that Im not monopolising your post here with my own experience? If I am I do apologise, I guess I hope it might be of help to you if it rings any bells but perhaps you would rather not have too much focus on this train of thinking either?! Its you Post - please let me know if its Ok or not? X
no worries
Submitted by Sade88 on
No worries. The more information, the better. I've been reading the posts through email because I haven't been able to log in. Your husband does have similar tendencies to mine. He says he is going to go to a counselor. I just hope he can get out of his own way and actually do what he needs to do to a) get better and b) save our marriage. I too have contemplated suicide. But I don't want to leave my children behind. And believe it or not, I don't want him to not have anyone to take care of him. Even if we do divorce, I know I'll still be in his life beyond the connection of having children. Thanks for the link. Going to read the article now.
More info the better
Submitted by katetd on
ok Sade good to hear. i hope this is not the reality but if it is i have to tell you treating this disorder is very difficult if not impossible.... And I would be inclined to not trust him an inch... Sorry to say... It will only get worse... Perhaps read up about Narcissistic Victim Syndrome and see of this rings any bells also? I can post here if you like? But you let me know... Please no in my own life I have not come to the info and these conclusions easily, in a hurry or rashly.... I have plenty of professional & personal support to back me up on all this...im part of a Closed Online Support group of others in same boat which has been a massive life support for me (as well as my psychiatrist, specialist psychotherapist, a few good friends and even couple of family members who get if).
Xxx
getting counseling
Submitted by Sade88 on
katetd,
I am thinking DH has borderline personality disorder. He exhibits some of the signs. He is seeing a counselor now. Has been twice and I think has a third appointment. I don't know what they discuss and of BPD has been mentioned but I see a small change. It has taken a long time for us to get to the point where he is talking to a professional so I have to give him time (which isn't easy since I have been giving him time for 6 years now). I have toughed it out this long, I guess I should be able to keep hanging in there. The fact that he is even going is HUGE. I know it is hard for him and I let him know that.