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  • Humiliation by: Swedish coast 4 hours 40 min ago

    Please bear with me. Things are a bit depressing at the moment since I've been in bed with a virus for a week. I also just found out I will have to meet my ADD ex shortly at an event.

    It's so humiliating to have been subjected to what I have. How do you walk through a room where is someone you've lived two decades with and born several children to and who's then treated you like sh-t? Someone you've almost destroyed yourself to stick with out of loyalty since he was so ill, and who's then shown you you meant nothing? Someone who's probably still ill, but great at hiding his pain and dysfunction among people and so will give you that perfect act of normalcy and coolness. Making it look and feel like instead, you're upset, stupid, and pathetic.

    I know some admirable people who've been treated worse by their ex partners but just go out there and keep a brave face. I don't know how they do it. They seem to do all right. I die inside. 

    I can't stand the humiliation of being lied to by him. I can't stand his acts. I want to shout, and expose him, and embarrass him. For having destroyed our trust, used me, and hurt me, and then forgotten all about it. 

     


     

     

     

  • Homeostasis ( biorythems ) by: J 8 hours 51 min ago

    I started a post when I first came back here again a few months ago entitled "Homiostasis". I had a specific question as it relates to motivation but I wasn't able to articulate in words what I was concerned with. That was just before going back on meds again as I was directly concerned how this would translate to my job, one of my main concerns at the time.

    Now, several months later and switching meds in the process....I now know what I was worried about because in a real way, it's  already happened. This is one of those "things" ( without a name ) that are the consequences of taking a drug, whether it be good or bad. The closest I can come up with is homeostasis and/or biorhythms.  I know biorhythms aren't an officially recognized science, but for lack of a better term....it's the constantly changing cycles that have to do with your physical, mental and emotional state that are always in flux. Homeostasis refers to the balance between these elements. And within these things includes your motivation, or maybe....the drives that make us do things. And a reminder that ADHD has to do with doing things...important to note.

    My main concern, going back on meds, was I would lose the hunger, or drive I used to motivate myself at work. It's the thing that I tap into to push myself and drive myself to do better. You could call it the "edge". And part of that edge is is to channel emotions including anger. Anger can be a powerful tool if used in a positive way. 

    When I was reading about RSD that Mellisa included in her blog about this topic, a man with ADHD described it for himself saying: he never realized how much of his life revolved around RSD... how it influenced his decisions and actions throughout his entire life. I concur, but it doesn't stop there. ADHD itself has an equally strong ( if not more ) side effect or consequence of motivating a person, and therefore, influencing their actions, in different directions. Different than, a neurotypical person.

    Growing up, not knowing you have ADHD has both positive and negative influences.  Not knowing you're not "normal" means, you think you're just like everyone else. Naturally, you do things to compensate without even knowing why or what those are. In a positive way, you gain skills and ways to get things done that work for you. And the harder you try the more things you learn. I guess another way to say it is...the more effort you put in, the better you become naturally.  

    So in effect, you're trying to find your homeostasis or balance between your: mental, physical and emotional state. The problem with this is, it's not exactly "normal".

    For lack of a better term, I'm calling this "ADHD normal " or normal for a person with ADHD. And from this type of normal, your homeostasis is different.  A lifetime of learning to adapt is what brings you to the here and now.

    So.....

    When you start taking a drug ( of any kind ) but specifically for ADHD....it does way more than just hit those targeted areas. It completely shifts your homeostasis to a different one literally overnight or in case of the antidepressants, a month or so later. The net effect may take several months but regardless....you're making a shift from "ADHD normal" to something new.

    NOW.....many of those tools you learned to use in your favor, are no longer working for you the same. In my case, the "edge" is gone, and it's more difficult to find motivation at work ( specifically ) because that competitiveness and desire to go faster is just not there as it was. I'm not channeling the anger because the anger isn't there?  And even in terms of the RSD...the need to be "perfect" and above reproach isn't as strong. Thankfully, after 40 years doing what I do, I really don't need that as much because I already own those skills. In other words, that isn't necessarily any more.

    But as far a people pleasing in respect to work...whether they like it or not isn't as much of an issue.  I can go down the list and check off each thing, but as far as motivation is concerned....the "new homeostatus" does have a direct effect on where I draw my drives or decisions to do things in respect to work. I don't really care if I'm first or last and I don't really even care if my employer likes it or not. It's easy for me to say because I have more experience than my co-workers but....the overall change is actually making me happier.  I'm more relaxed, and am listening to music again ( while at work ) and if my supervisor thinks I've suddenly developed a bad attitude that's not my problem. I'm still putting out ( almost ) as much work as I was before....within a small percentage change....which is still  more than my co-workers so I'm not worried about my job. I'm also not feeling as burned out and I'm choosing not to work overtime as much. I don't feel like I'm trying to kill myself everyday...which means...I'm bringing home a better person who's not stressed out everyday and completely physically spent.

    Anyway. Sorry for the novel but this is not something I hear people talk about but it's extremely important I feel. Finding motivation in the "new normal " after meds....is definitely different from the "ADHD normal" but not without consequences.  And it doesn't happen overnight.  It's a big adjustment with lots of moving parts.

    Last thing I wanted to mention about work, which carries over to so many other things. This was a game changer for me that happened years ago...

     

    I was all stressed out about getting all my jobs done and they had loaded me up with too much work. More than was possible for one person to do. I went to one of the mangers I worked with, who had been around for years, and told him I wasn't going to finish and get everyone's work done. I was visibly upset and he could tell.  He looked at me and said:

    "Relax, it'll be fine...don't kill yourself over it. No one in the history of the world ever died from not getting their jewelry on time."

    In other words...it's not life or death. 

     

    J

     

  • At a crossroads on whether to give up or stay in by: exhaustedkitten 3 days 19 hours ago

    I love my husband, but I have become a shell of my former self. We have been together for nearly 7 years, but I am truly struggling with his ADHD symptoms and more importantly struggling with him being perfectly happy with the way things are. I am finding myself becoming more and more resentful of his choices that affect me and the heightened rejection sensitivity that comes with his ADHD. I try to be respectful and trust that he will have things handled, but it's really frustrating when each day comes with more choices that he has made that affect me negatively. I know he is struggling with his ADHD, but he refuses to try medication and says that he is working on his ADHD in his own way. We started Melissa's seminar, but we only got through session 1 and that was about a month ago. I try to bring it up, but I am met with groans and sighs as if it is such a chore for him to do this for us. I feel like I'm carrying the entire weight of our relationship as well as our finances. He's an avid spender and doesn't see it as such. He doesn't believe that he is spending too much of our funds. The fact of the matter is since we have been together, we have no savings and I was not this kind of person where I didn't save up and have money set aside. I'm very much a planner and want to make sure we have funds for retirement, but he's very much the in the now and want to enjoy life now kind of person. 

    I really find myself feeling depressed and I'm already in therapy and working with the therapist on how his ADHD affects me. I think I am miserable some days. Some days I think to myself, it must be nice living life without having to wash a dish or clean a toilet or do actual household chores. He tells me that he experiences executive functioning paralysis very often and I want to not blame him for making the mistakes he makes or how his ADHD symptoms make me feel exhausted, but it's so hard. I feel so utterly depressed that even when asking him to take the dogs outside just to potty is met with groans and sighs. It's painful and I don't want to vent too much to my friends or family because they will form opinions about him and I feel that's unfair to him. 

    I'm just not sure how to move forward. I feel resentment for how our lives are and I can't seem to see the light out of this. I know he's a caring and loving person, but I am having such a hard time showing him love when he doesn't want to help himself. I don't really want to go down the path of divorce, but I so exhausted, I'm not sure I have the energy to keep being the parent. He's labeled me controlling when I've been trying to keep us out of messes he creates. He doesn't want to use any tools that would be a compromise for us. Any suggestion I make seems to fall on deaf ears or he argues that he doesn't want to or can't do it.

    What else can I do besides swallow the resentment in order to keep the peace? I feel like I walk on eggshells whenever there is something important to discuss. I can't really talk to him about things, because when I do his RSD comes into full effect and it gets turned around into how he feels he's being attacked or he gets full on depressed and I feel like the bad guy. Like tonight, I tried to talk to him about how I'm not trying to blame him, but I am truly struggling with understanding his ability to work full force on something that he's interested in and 0 ability to do something like help clean a mess he has made. I wanted a partnership in a marriage and this is not what I envision a partnership to be. So I keep asking myself should I give up and leave or do I resign myself to accepting that this is how our marriage will be with me swallowing all the resentment and exhaustion? Neither solution seems right to me. I'm also struggling with the fact that we made vows for better or worse, it good times and in bad. How do I tell the person I made vows to that I want to walk away because I can't handle the bad times? Is it even appropriate for me to walk away? 

  • The ruin by: Swedish coast 1 week 3 days ago

    Almost a year after divorce it's become normal to be in unsolved conflict with the children's father. I normally don't think of it in the urgent sense, since I've given up hope it will ever resolve. 

    Today I contacted a couple of mutual friends. One of them is loyal to my ex but doesn't admit it. They've heard his version of our divorce and talk to him often but haven't wanted to hear my version. Not that I want to talk about it anymore. They still want to be in my life, but not loyal to me, which doesn't make much sense? Especially since I was loyal and supportive to them in their awful divorce some years back.

    But the contact with this friend made me painfully aware of how ugly we've left everything. I must take responsibility for it. We left it a mess. I decided I couldn't repair what he's destroyed - trust, to keep it short. I can't forgive him, since he doesn't want forgiveness. But still. It's a smoking ruin, slightly out of sight most days. And our children magically seem to thrive, but when I was reminded of the ruin, I felt bad for not having cleaned it up, letting them live in it.

    I'm dedicated to relations. I care very much. It feels shameful to have this blackened pit where life's biggest attempt at love used to be.

    Still, sometimes in life I've decided an issue is not mine to deal with. This is one of these times. I broke myself taking initiatives when we were together. I was the only motor of the family. He's now decided to separate from me entirely and tore down the last shreds of trust to make it definite, doesn't care what I think and wants nothing from me (or so he said until it became clear he expected me to arrange family holidays including him and thought he could charm his way back into my house, and that he imagined I'd continue to be sweet and take all initiatives). I didn't ask for this total break. I couldn't imagine he'd manage without support. But he got the clear break, and I cannot ever take initiatives for him again. For children yes, all the time. But not for him.

    He hasn't deserved my initiative, and I don't have any more to dish out. I'm out. I'm permanently out as far as he's concerned.

    Values clash here and it puzzles me. Ugly conflict, not my style, not my style to leave messes either, rather to exhaust myself to have peace. But the boundaries concerning him are non-negotiable. Really. It's been that bad.

    I guess the friend needs to go. At least as a confidante. Maybe will still get invited to parties. And the ruin I can only hope will tomorrow again slide behind the horizon so I don't have to look at it all the time.

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • Financial Infidelity by: overwhelmed8 1 week 4 days ago

    Today my world fell apart! My ADHD husband has basically lost everything we own and most likely have to declare bankruptcy. He has been lying about his business and our own personal finances and has dug himself and  our family into a black hole.

    At 55 years I will have nothing. I was stupid enough to leave the finances to him as he always moved things around and knew what money was coming in based on the business. He never paid himself a weekly salary. 

    I have forgiven his past white lies about money hoping things would improve ( he always said he had it handled). He has had past failures and big wins in business - he's a big risk taker and fails to understand the impact his decisions and actions have on me and the family. This is when the lie occurs. If I'd question a decision he would weave a story to make it sound so good. 

    He has spent years in therapy for ADHD, depression etc. and is on meds but ultimately his behaviour has damaged all his relationships and our marriage. I have no trust in him and don't know if we can survive this as a family and move forward together.

    ADHD is a huge impact on his behavior but I don't know how much more I can take. I worry for his mental health if I walk as I manage the day to day of his life (constantly reminding him to do things, keeping the house in some sort of order, reminding him of appointments etc) and creating a form of stability. 

    My question is, will it ever change? Or is this life with someone with ADHD? I also have a son who is exactly the same... I'm exhausted. 

  • Self worth by: Swedish coast 1 week 5 days ago

    How have you all felt about your self worth during and after ADHD marriage?

    These days I'm slowly recovering my old self, preferences, self respect, interests. It's been a long journey. For months after divorce I felt like discarded waste. Returning to an - admittedly old and battered - version of the young optimistic me is an emotional and delicate process.

    What happened to you? Could you keep important things in your life during the marriage? Have you been able to prioritize yourself in an ADHD family?

    I wonder sometimes if I could have done better in preserving myself in the midst of it all. 

    It's hard to realize the full extent of having been parasitized by a full-blown case of mental illness while not being appreciated for it. I still hurt with the thought. Perhaps none of us are worth anything. But I intend to live the rest of my life celebrating that people are precious. Even myself, and even if I don't deep down feel it. 

    How do you feel about yourselves?

  • Psilocybin by: J 2 weeks 4 days ago

    A quick post of my journey to find the best meds for me. Went to the doctor to get my meds changed from Adderall and Wellbutrin to Vyvance and Zoloft aimed at specifically reducing anger.

    I know Zoloft worked pretty well for depression, but it did have those annoying side effects. Remembering what my initial prescriber for Adderall asked me ( test question): "from all the drugs you've taken, which one made you feel good, but not high?" My answer was amphetamines. 

    Now rethinking this again...there was another drug that made me feel even better and completely wiped out depression with residual effects lasting up to a month which were Psilocybin mushrooms. The only problem is, they make you extremely high! High enough to barely function ( but it sure feels good )

    Now, people are doing this micro-dosing which I'm ready to try. If taking a bunch of little doses that don't make you high, but get the same depression killing effect as one large dose, then absolutely hands down, no other drug I've taken ( including antidepressants ) has worked as well in my experience.  You not only don't feel depressed,  but you feel really good and for quite a while after.

    I was thinking about taking a big dose to clear the cob webs out my head ( a term we use to use ) but this micro dosing may prove to do the same thing which is really all I need.

    I remember saying years ago : If they made all the world leaders of every country  take a huge dose of Shrooms, there'd be no more war and everyone would get along.

    I still maintain this to be true. They should make it mandatory. 

  • Everything is wrong by: Dagmar 2 weeks 6 days ago

    Okay, I know I should be just leaving.  But Mr. ADHD is now trying.  And he's trying so hard, he really is.    But he can't do anything right.  I feel like a jerk telling him all the time, but his efforts are just not good enough.  I am literally in the midst of a panic attack about it right now.  

    It's EVERYTHING.  Like, I asked him to run to the store to get baking soda.   We were out because he keeps dumping it on the carpet to kill moths but it should be a baking soda/vinegar combination and we have already discussed that it didn't work, and that is frustrating enough on its own, but I didn't bring that up.  He saw I was looking for it and ran to the store.   Awesome.  Except instead of buying the store brand he bought the expensive refrigerator kind that isn't meant to leave the box and now I have to take the extra step to put it in a bag and label it, and I know it's small, but it's just to illustrate that even the smallest "help" requires so much extra work. 

    Today, I'm prepared for the parent-teacher conference he set up and reminded me about (great!), but it's actually two weeks from now.  I planned my work and gym schedule around this. 

    Last night we were supposed to meet my mother at 5:30 for dinner at a chain restaurant halfway between our houses to celebrate my son's birthday.   Husband works in the same town as where my mother lives, so he was going to meet us there after work.  We don't often meet at this restaurant, but we always meet her in this shopping district.   We also needed to go to Lowe's, which is not close to our house, but there is one located near this chain restaurant.   Then my mom was going to take our son to the Barnes & Noble to pick out his birthday gift. While chain restaurant and Lowe's are close to each other in every shopping center around the city, there is only one shopping area with a Lowe's, this restaurant, and Barnes and Noble.   This was the plan.   I reminded him multiple times, and I called him at 5:22, and he was at Lowe's.  I was mildly annoyed that he was still there because my mom is always early and makes comments to me if we are late (and we are always late).  They were not supposed to seat us until the entire party was there, but I charmed them at the desk and they let it slide.   Good thing I did.  Because at 5:33, Husband called to say that he went to the wrong location.   Why?  He said he went to the one by the Lowe's.   He was an hour away!  Why would you not go to the restaurant that you literally drive by on the way home?   Why would my traffic-adverse mother drive through the worst traffic district to get to where he was instead of going to the place right off the highway where we literally meet all the time?  

    Tomorrow we have to meet with someone about this legal thing.  We already met with said person, but Husband filled out the paperwork with all the wrong dates and we look like total idiots and have to redo it.  This meeting was supposed to be last week, but I expressed feelings about being expected to clean the house on my own for this last-minute meeting, so he rescheduled it for this week (but didn't tell me until after I had cleaned the house in a panic), and he rescheduled it at the exact same time I have an appointment for the kid that I can't cancel.  

    And he is still not talking about our relationship. He is supposed to be living with his mother, but he's moved back in, and is still living out of his suitcase. I told him that he was not bringing his stuff back until he had an actual discussion about it.  Well, his mother is moving to a home in two weeks and he's going to have to move his stuff somewhere. I don't know where he thinks he's going to move it, but he's not going to move it here and a last-minute discussion while the moving truck is outside is not going to cut it.  Oh my God.  I just realized.  He told me he was taking the kids to his mom's house on Friday.  I'll bet he thinks that is enough of a discussion to move his stuff back.   It's not.     He has stopped going to therapy, because "he can do everything he was learning on his own."   But he's not doing that.   The stress of doing all of this is just too much.  

  • ADHD or Something Else by: J 3 weeks 11 hours ago

    I know I keep bringing up OCD in connection to my SO and I realize I have no expertise on this subject. I really don't know how to differentiate the nuances and comorbitity of all the possible combinations of things that a person could have as well as ADHD. Or for that matter, all the overlaps and shared symptoms and which thing is which. I simply don't know.

    But I do talk to her and ask questions about what I observe when there's no conflict and emotions are low. I'm simply curious so I can better understand. 

    We don't seem to have any conflict concerning household chores in fact, she never complains that Im not doing enough around the house, however,  I do get the sense that she's tired or feels overworked and feels stressed when having to work and take care of the house. I also don't get the sense that she's secretly wishing I'd do more but she's afraid to talk to me or ask ( conflict avoidant ). On the contrary, I'M the one bringing it up and trying to do more; Offering to help and and checking in continuously to make sure I'm doing my share. The answer is always the same: "no, I'd rather do it myself". I also don't get any sense that I'm not doing it well enough or doing a sloppy job. If need be, I can turn on my own perfectionism and do a really great job.

    So what's this issue?  She doesn't really want to do all of it, but at the same time, she can't relinquish these things ( control ) to anyone else for some ( seemingly ) unknown reason?

    So I ask: why don't you let me help you? 

    Me: I'd be glad to help you run the vacuum and do the floors.

    Her: No, I'd rather do it myself 

    Me: okay, but why ? Do I not do a good job?

    Her: It's not that, it's that, if I can feel any particles of dirt, dust, flecks of stuff on the bottoms of my feet, it drives me crazy and I like to go barefoot in the house

    That's the answer.  It's a sensory issue. The floors have to be so sanitary clean and micro-particle free...that if she can "feel" anything on her bare feet,  it's not suitable for her. And I just don't go to that extreme. My basis for clean floors has more to do with "visually" clean...not "touch" clean.

    And the counter tops, stove tops, furniture tops or any surface has to meet the "feel" test. This goes one step beyond the "white glove" test since that is still a visual inspection.

    Another example that has actually hurt my feelings at times which I'm now starting to understand that I shouldn't take this too personally.  This just happened a few days ago but saying, it happens all the time very predictably.  This has to do with smells.

    I'll go to kiss her and will say something nice or complimentary ( or anything positive ) as a show of affection. Her immediate response will be: " did you brush your teeth,  your breathe stinks"

    And my answer is: "yes, I just brushed my teeth."

    If you can imagine, this may not make you feel very good? Especially immediately right after showing a nice gesture of affection? And it's not, "I love you too...and...by the way ( FYI ) your breath is a little stinky". It's more like ( in disgust )...like "ick, yuck...your breathe stinks!...I'm so repulsed " instantly after that kind of exchange.

    I'm beginning to understand this better...this has very little to do with me and more to do with an extreme sensory reaction that has to do with smell and touch.  To the point, it's so extreme...because the reaction inside her is extreme even to every day smells and touch sensations that normally ( by most people standards) would probably not bother them much? I don't have this kind of sensory issues and someone's breathe or odor in a mild form doesn't bother me a bit. I don't even think twice about it or give it a second thought. It simply doesn't bother me. 

    This appears to me, as a pervasive issue that extends to everything where ever she goes to a lesser degree...but extremely so, inside the house or her personal space or environment. Her controlling behavior appears more limited to this kind of thing.

    And with me, it appears when I'm doing something that appears to her...that may be doing something that's going to create this kind of extreme sensory reaction. So, it's either, to prevent this from happening or...to stop this reaction while it's happening?

    So when it comes to the kiss....the reaction has already happened which is why the "yuck...it smells so bad ! " response even after I've brushed my teeth immediately before the kiss. Things like smells are so intense for her, that even the slightest of odor no matter how faint...cause this extreme reaction.

    I'm calling this an extreme sensory reaction but...I don't really know what the cause is? Is this ADHD, OCD or a combination of both. Or neither one?

    I don't know.  But I'm learning not to take it personally. 

    But also saying....it makes it difficult to help someone clean, when only they know what's good enough for them based on how it feels or smells  ( for them )

  • My ADHD Spouse Won't Get Help by: cvb21xdrt 3 weeks 1 day ago

    My husband and I have been together for 11 years, married for six years.  When we first met, I was a fixer who liked to rescue people; we definitely complimented each other.  Over the years, I've done my own mental and emotional work to heal and grow; I don't try to fix or rescue people anymore and continue on my journey of personal growth.  My husband did two tours in Iraq and has mild PTSD.  For years, I chalked up his explosive anger to PTSD and his forgetfulness to an undiagnosed TBI (he refuses to get tested).  He was diagnosed and treated (Adderall) for ADHD two years ago when he started graduate school.  I didn't realize how ADHD affected relationships; I've always thought of ADHD as a focus/concentration problem.  Six weeks ago, I came across Melissa's work and realized that his ADHD better explains his symptoms than PTSD.  Since then, I talked to him about how his ADHD was affecting our marriage and how unhappy I am.  He agreed that we needed to work on our relationship and he needed to address his ADHD symptoms.  We started by buying a copy of Melissa's book and listening to the same book on Audible during a weekend getaway (we only got through half of the book).  After arriving home from that getaway, he has done nothing else to help/treat his ADHD.  I think he assumes that since we don't fight (I avoid conflict with him because I can't tolerate his angry explosions), everything is good in our relationship, but it's not.  He says he will finish Melissa's book, but instead, he spends hours and hours on the couch most days scrolling Facebook or watching TV.  I've asked him to find a psychiatric provider in our area who specializes in ADHD, but he hasn't (I found one in five minutes).  I've asked him to look at several apps to help him, and us as a couple, complete household tasks, but he won't.  I suggested Melissa's couples seminar, but he showed no interest.  We haven't had sex in over five years, and when I bring it up, he blames me.  He graduates his program in May 2025 and I've decided to divorce him if things don't change.  I love him, but I can't and won't live like this.  I'm going to suggest Melissa's couples seminar that will begin sometime in 2025 as a last-ditch effort to turn things around.  If he blows that off, I don't know what else to do.

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